Is Ferguson biased against African Americans?

Yesterday, the Justice Department issued a report saying the town does indeed target African-Americans especially for civil relations, tickets. Ferguson 67 percent black. But 90 percent of the citations issued there go to African-Americans.

Joining us now from St. Louis Jeff Roorda spokesman for the police officers association there. And McGraw Milhaven, radio talk show host on KTRS.

Mr. Milhaven, I begin with you. What do you think of the Justice Department report?

MCGRAW MILHAVEN, RADIO HOST: Two things, Bill. First of all, they excoriated every one in Ferguson except Officer Darren Wilson, right? They said it never hands up don’t shoot. He was justified. African-American witnesses came forward and supported Officer Wilson’s claim. So, he is completely innocent. That’s one.

Two, you have to understand Ferguson. Ferguson doesn’t live in the middle of a cornfield. There are little communities all around Ferguson that are predominantly African-American. Those numbers, right, 67 percent of the residents of Ferguson are white. I want to know of those 90 percent who got those tickets, how many of them actually lived in Ferguson, how many lived around the surrounding areas? Just to take that number and put those numbers on it, you show me a good statistician, I will show you a good liar.

O’REILLY: All right. But I can give you some perspective. I mean in the low level beef of failing to comply, which is like jay walking and all of that stuff, 94 percent, Mr. Milhaven, of all citations issued to blacks. They are targeting blacks. They are.

Mr. Roorda you know Darren Wilson and as Mr. Milhaven pointed out, he was not excoriated by this report at all that what his testimony was pretty much the feds back up. So, what does Mr. Wilson think about this?

JEFF ROORDA, ST. LOUIS POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION: Well, you noticed yesterday, Bill, that Attorney General Holder could barely bring himself to share that news. It struck me that this release or this leak of information the day before these reports came out were the most damning information that they could leak about the Ferguson police department was leaked out in advance of the announcement that the Justice Department determined the same thing that the much derided grand jury here decided. And that was that Darren Wilson was the victim of an attempted murder and that he used reasonable force in the face of —

O’REILLY: Yes. Ok. So think that’s established beyond a reasonable doubt. Anybody can wear a t-shirt that says anything. But the facts are the facts.

O’REILLY: Nobody in America should be a target of tickets for revenue. Last word.

MILHAVEN: No question. No question, Bill. And, yes, the Justice Department has started the job and pointed out that, yes, there needs to be wholesale changes. But Ferguson doesn’t live on an island. There are little municipals all around Ferguson that you have to drive through.

And look, Floridale Hills (ph) during all of this invented their own police department. They have a population of 800 people. They mayors are black, the police chief are black, they are targeting everybody. That’s how they are surviving.

O’REILLY: Yes, because they want money. It’s a shakedown.

MILHAVEN: Pine Lawn has a population of 3,000 people. They wrote 17,000 tickets last year.

O’REILLY: All right. That’s got to stop.

MILHAVEN: Guess who their police chief is. Guess who their police chief is.

O’REILLY: And now the attorney general — who is your police chief?

MILHAVEN: The police chief’s name is Anthony Gray who is the family attorney for Michael Brown.

O’REILLY: I think the attorney general has got to start to clean up these towns in Missouri and stop.

MILHAVEN: Everywhere, yes — Everywhere. Not just Ferguson, the entire north county is being destroyed.

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